Need help with dual boot Windows 10 and LL

[Colin23erk]

Yet another  way of doing things on this Lenovo Yoga 300


It does not matter how I change the settings in the UEFI boot  it will not Boot into the USB drive.


The only way I can boot to a USB Drive is to log out of Windows  and because of the Quick Boot feature (i assume ) I have to hold the ON button to make the PC power down
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Then I press the hidden button to get to  the  option menu (as above) >I then select the boot menu option > find the USB drive and click on it > the PC then boots into the Linux Mint OS and hopefully LL if I find an EFI ISO to install

[gold_finger]

I think I have found out what the problem is with LL is thanks to your suggestion....


In the set up procedure I clicked on the Lite ISO I had downloaded instead  of the Mint ISO that had worked--when i pressed Start > all I got was a message ---


"When using UEIF target type ,only EFI bootable ISO images are Supported - Please select an EFI bootable ISO or set the Target Type to BIOS "


Looks like we need an EFI bootable ISO for Linux Lite.

I had assumed that you had actually read the tutorial by m654321 that we pointed out to you.  If you had, you would have already known that there is no UEFI capable ISO file for LL -- which is the whole reason he made the tutorial and why installing LL in that mode is so much more complicated than installing Mint.

[Colin23erk]

My  error


Must have missed things - I gave up when I needed to install Ubuntu and then do a convert job.
With my recent track record of things going wrong my head was spinning enough already .


I am surprised with the length of time UEFI has been in use that a EFI ISO has not been created yet for Lite .


Having the correct ISO would make it easier for Lite converts to use Lite on newer PC that boots into UEFI . It would save you and us a lot of waste time using these Forums to look and ask for solutions to known problems that can be solved centrally
Us non computer enthusiasts who use LL rely on you experts to make Lite a real alternative to Windows XP that it wants to be .


Thanks for all the help that everyone gives me when I need it .  Not complaining just trying to cut down on your workload with unnecessary posts .
Colin

[Valtam]

We have been very clear on our position regarding UEFI and Secure Boot, and why we are against supporting such a unethical technology. If it means fewer people try LL then it's a very small price to pay for doing the right thing ethically. This stance may change in the future, this largely depends on a number of related factors.

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[Wirezfree]

Completely agree, Intel's good intentions for security,
then usurped by Microsoft to lock-down hardware, and lockout other OS's



Critisism

[m654321]

@Colin23erk...

The LL/Windows UEFI-enabled dual-boot set-up I described (in https://www.freecinema2022.gq/forums/tutor...msg18468ib), based originally on Wani's youtube video, took me not more than 1 hour to set up from scratch, using a clean HDD or SSD, on an Asus G750 laptop with a 300 Mb/s broadband connection. 

As Wirezfree or Goldfinger mentioned above, as long as you know how to get into the Settings for your make/model of computer, there shouldn't be a problem. You should be able to check that online via Google.  Just print out the tutorial & follow it to the letter and I can only assume you're good to go...

I have a very basic knowledge of computers generally (no programming background or experience at all) compared to many in the LL forum, so I'm assuming if it worked for me it should work for pretty much anyone...  Like you I came to Linux from XP - for me this was in April 2014.
 
Through experimentation, I've found the UEFI dual-boot will work for Windows OS 7, 8.1 or 10 with any LL version from 2.0 onwards. I've also found it's possible to install a separate  /home partition, within the UEFI dual-boot for LL, to conserve configuration files so settings aren't lost with the LL upgrades .

Do try it.  I'm really interested to know how you get on... good luck...

Kind regards
Mike

[Colin23erk]

thanks for the update on the state of play with UEFI .
I was not aware of the politics behind the problem . As Linux Mint had UEFI boot I assumed it was available to everyone as the Booting of a computer is as much a part of its construction as the motherboard etc and should not be hijacked as you suggest by a Software Provider like Microsoft and then demand a licencing fee.

It's like androids having apps that cannot be uninstalled -- why.??  I bought and paid for a piece of equipment it is up to me to "Lawfully" use it  how I want to as long as I do not complain it is not working correctly during its warranty period.

Unfortunately the computer industry is full of dirty tricks and adds software to its products that are not in the interest of the consumer . Redmond seems to be a law unto it self
I have an HP printer that gives a message that the Ink cartridges are out of date and therefore the end of the printer is imminent . Fortunately I am allowed to  cancel it but only until the next time I switch it on . They must spend a lot of time and effort coming up with ways to get even more money out of us for something we do not need or want .

Colin

[technomancer]

Yet another  way of doing things on this Lenovo Yoga 300


It does not matter how I change the settings in the UEFI boot  it will not Boot into the USB drive.


The only way I can boot to a USB Drive is to log out of Windows  and because of the Quick Boot feature (i assume ) I have to hold the ON button to make the PC power down
.
Then I press the hidden button to get to  the  option menu (as above) >I then select the boot menu option > find the USB drive and click on it > the PC then boots into the Linux Mint OS and hopefully LL if I find an EFI ISO to install

I had to disable "virtualization" in my BIOS in order to boot either USB or DVD. After you have installed LL and booted up, shutdown again and re-enable it so that your other OS can boot without reconfiguring.
I had Win8 installed in UEFI and just disabled it and set to legacy, but i am not using your hardware.
It would be a good idea to get a spare HDD, extra one, or something so you can test and not break your setup on your current drive.

-I agree with Jerry about the ethical implications of UEFI, and support him in that. But at the same time your argument is valid. So unless a large community of us Linux users get together against it, or at least work to open UEFI to all OS's- this is how it is.
Just try and have fun tinkering with LinuxLite
( maybe some of us can get together a Uefi boot disk to use for any OS that isn't licensed ! HACK ?) or is that not legal ?

[Colin23erk]

Hello
Whilst searching for Linux Distros that have UEFI IOS's I had a discussion about Linux Lite not having a UEFI version . This was his take on the situation with Microsoft.

From HIM
""MS has the authority to sign the bootloader (or more, if required) before it can pass Secure Boot. If you disabled Secure Boot, you do not need the signed bootloader. ""

My Reply
""From what you say I assume that any Linux distro can be provided with a UEFI interface instead of Bios Legacy and will work OK except for MS’s Secure Boot""

His Answer
""UEFI came from Intel, the Secure Boot concept “probably” originated from MS. A signed bootloader is required to pass the security check with the firmware .  Note that a distro must support UEFI to boot in UEFI mode. The Secure Boot feature is an additional topping.""

Sounds very much like earlier Windows had Signed-for Drivers and Software but all you got was a message that they were unsigned -- In other words its  up to me to decide to use them
Looks  as if its up to me if I want a UEFI ISO for Linux Lite that is not signed and I am prepared to take the risk all I need is suspend the Secure Boot in the bios settings .

Colin

[m654321]

I thought Secure Boot and UEFI were the same thing...

In order to enable UEFI in my dual Windows/LL set-ups, Secure Boot is set to Enabled, BIOS mode (a.k.a Legacy mode) and Fast Boot are set to Disabled in the Boot Settings.

Cheers
Mike