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Need help with dual boot Windows 10 and LL - Colin23erk - 11-18-2015


Need help to preserve my sanity
I need a tried and tested way to dual boot Windows 10 and LL .on a Insyde H20 UEFI type bios


I am loosing the will to solve it as anything that can go wrong does go wrong .Even simply writing posts to Forums I have lost my  written Data in 3 ( no now 4 )different ways


If no solutions are forth coming  soon this 2nd new computer is going back for a refund .




I have being trying various  solutions for the most of the last 7 days so I am not prepared to try experimental ideas as I am pig sick of trying ,


Colin

Re: Need help with dual boot Windows 10 and LL - torreydale - 11-18-2015

Have you not looked at this thread?
https://www.freecinema2022.gq/forums/tutorials/tutorial-how-to-set-up-a-winll-dual-boot-with-uefi-fully-enabled/msg18468/#msg18468

Re: Need help with dual boot Windows 10 and LL - Colin23erk - 11-18-2015

No but it looks CML intensive

Wrote you a better explanation but after I previewed it  my text disappeared  .!!!!!!
I seam jinx't at the moment . On top of the pc problems  have had  forum posts failures 6 ut of the last 8 attempt's have resulted in my text being lost- even used wordpad to prepare and my  Pc shut down without warning

Colin

Colin

Re: Need help with dual boot Windows 10 and LL - gold_finger - 11-18-2015


Most (if not all) new computers these days come with UEFI firmware instead of the old Bios firmware.  The new firmware settings and menus are a bit different than most people are used to, which helps contribute to confusion when trying to install OS's other than the pre-installed Windows that comes on most computers.  In addition, there is no "standard" implementation of UEFI and no "standard" way to access the settings (which was also the case with Bios firmware).  So the screenshots and key-presses shown in m654321's tutorial may not be the same as what your computer will show.  It would be a good idea for you to learn how to access the settings on power-up and also familiarize yourself with the various screens and options within it.  (Use a search engine and look for user manual for your specific computer.)


With that being said, their appears to be a way to tell the computer to boot into the UEFI settings from within Windows 10 -- so you can try these instructions if unsuccessful in figuring out which button to press on start-up to gain access:  How to Access UEFI Settings from within Windows 10.


UEFI-based computers can boot in either UEFI/EFI mode or CSM/Legacy/Bios mode and operating systems can therefore be installed in either mode.  There is a (slim) chance that Windows was installed to the new computer in Legacy mode.  If that's the case, you don't need to worry about using that tutorial and can install LL fairly simply.  So, first thing you should do is confirm for sure which mode it is installed in.  Ideally, you'll want to install LL in the same mode that Windows is installed in for dual-booting to work best.
  • Boot with LL dvd/usb, open a terminal and enter this command:
Code:
sudo parted --list
[*]Look for the line "Partition Table = " in the output for the hard drive with Windows on it.
  • If it says Partition Table = msdos, Windows is installed in Legacy mode and installing LL will be rather easy.  (Post back here for instructions on how to do that.)
  • If it says Partition Table = gpt, Windows is installed in EFI mode and you'll need to follow instructions on m654321's tutorial.









Assuming you need to do a UEFI install, basic steps are:
  • Make backup copies of anything important in Windows
  • Create a Windows 10 recovery usb
  • Disable "Fast Startup" in Windows
  • Find and disable "Secure Boot" in the UEFI settings
  • Using Windows disk management, defragment the "C: drive"
  • Using Windows disk management, shrink the "C: drive" to make room for LL installation.  (Leave resulting free space "as is" -- don't make any Linux partitions from within Windows.)
  • Reboot into Windows after shrinking to make sure it still works
  • Reboot with LL dvd/usb plugged in; get into UEFI boot menu and select the boot option for it that is NOT UEFI.  (Wording varies, so just pick option that does not say anything about UEFI.)
  • Follow steps in m654321's tutorial.  (NOTE:You must use a 64-bit version of LL and you'll need a live 64-bit Ubuntu dvd/usb too for the final conversion to UEFI mode.)  Basically, you'll be installing LL in Legacy mode first, then converting the install to UEFI mode using the Ubuntu disk.






P.s.
Worst case scenario, if you simply can't get procedure to work with LL, download Linux Mint Xfce 17.2 (64-bit) and follow this tutorial to install it in UEFI mode. Tutorial is same for Win 10 as Win 8/8.1.  (Functionally, it's very similar to LL and easy to use.)

Re: Need help with dual boot Windows 10 and LL - Colin23erk - 11-18-2015

The Lenovo Yoga 300BY that I am trying to dual boot has a Hardware solution to booting into the Bios setup.
There is a small hole next to the on button . If you press the hidden switch inside with a paper clip the same as a reset button a small menu is booted  that has 4 options the two important ones being Enter Bios settings and go to Boot Menu

I see from the comment there is no standard implementation of the UEFI standard. One has to wonder where these manufactures come from and have not learned the lessons of the past .
People have enough problems understanding how to use computers ( expected to know how ) without every manufacturer implementing their own secret ways of doing things
 
Just read about someone who could not understand why the Back and Menu buttons on Android Phones have no standard layout (left or right) even by the same Manufacturer .

A puzzle to me is the historical Keyboard layouts on PCs with only a few difference in British or US  layouts the  " and @ reversed . why ?
Can no one decide which we all will use . Yes it may cause a few problems (mainly for trained typists ) in the beginning but we can adapt surely and learn when we get a new one .

Re: Need help with dual boot Windows 10 and LL - Colin23erk - 11-18-2015


Quote:P.s.Worst case scenario, if you simply can't get procedure to work with LL, download Linux Mint Xfce 17.2 (64-bit) and follow this tutorial to install it in UEFI mode. Tutorial is same for Win 10 as Win 8/8.1.  (Functionally, it's very similar to LL and easy to use.)

Just wondering why you suggest  Linux Mint Xfce 17.2 instead of LL . Why should it be a better candidate to dual boot with Win 10. I thought they were both from the Debian branch of Linux




I had a look at Mint before I choose Lite because I preferred that it was billed as a replacement for Win XP converts . On the whole I am happy with LL  except for some odd problems finding replacements for programs I used in XP . I still have an old netbook with XP and LL when I cannot easily do the same things in LL




Colin

Re: Need help with dual boot Windows 10 and LL - Wirezfree - 11-19-2015

@Colin23erk
Your post was very small, I just copied it to leafpad, and re-posted...
Quote:
Just wondering why you suggest  Linux Mint Xfce 17.2 instead of LL .
Why should it be a better candidate to dual boot with Win 10. I thought they were both from the Debian branch of Linux

I had a look at Mint before I choose Lite because I preferred that it was billed as a replacement for Win XP converts .
On the whole I am happy with LL  except for some odd problems finding replacements for programs I used in XP .
I still have an old netbook with XP and LL when I cannot easily do the same things in LL

Colin

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Re: Need help with dual boot Windows 10 and LL - firenice03 - 11-19-2015

@Colin

Quote:    Just wondering why you suggest  Linux Mint Xfce 17.2 instead of LL .
    Why should it be a better candidate to dual boot with Win 10. I thought they were both from the Debian branch of Linux...

    Colin

I think, Mint is suggested NOT as a better candidate for Win 10... But as a better candidate for UEFI as the support is there in which it sounds as if less CLI and set up as it may with LL.. From my recollection, LL3.0 may support UEFI but that another story??

From Linux Mints Site:
Quote:UEFI support
UEFI is fully supported.

Note: Linux Mint does not use digital signatures and does not register to be certified by Microsoft as being a "secure" OS. As such, it will not boot with SecureBoot. If your system is using secureBoot, turn it off.

Note: Linux Mint places its boot files in /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu to work around this bug. This does not prevent the installation of multiple releases or distributions, or dual-boots between Ubuntu and Linux Mint, as they can all be bootable from the same grub menu.

LL and Mint Xfce are both Ubuntu based, both run Xfce desktop and from my experience have a similar feel. Yes some differences.. I triple boot my one with LL, Mint and Win7..

On newer hardware as yours, I don't think there would be any notable performance differences.
And as with LL, Mint can boot into a Live USB, no harm in running the live environment confirming hardware etc etc...

It may be worth a read/research its your system, your requirements and in the end you'll be doing the install. Wink


Re: Need help with dual boot Windows 10 and LL - gold_finger - 11-19-2015

@colin23erk,


I didn't say Mint was "better" than LL -- just easier to install as dual-boot in UEFI mode.  Mint with the Xfce desktop is very similar to LL.  So my point was that you could switch to that on the UEFI machine and not have to learn anything dramatically different from what you're used to in LL.

Re: Need help with dual boot Windows 10 and LL - Colin23erk - 11-19-2015

Hello Gold_finger


I think I have found out what the problem is with LL is thanks to your suggestion


I tried installing Linux Mint as you suggested following the Mint tutorial and lo and behold it worked OK first time


Following this success i turned my attention to LL and Booted my PC


I looked at GNU Grub and saw that it listed -
___________________________________


1- Linux Mint
2- advanced options for Mint
3- Windows Boot Manager
4- Linux Lite 2.6
5- advanced options for Lite
6- System Setup
__________________________________

Clicking on the  Lite option and all I got was "Error: file name expected" > press any key > returned to menu

I then tried to use my Lite USB drive to reinstall Lite  the drive was not even recognised

Knowing that  Mint had installed  from another USB drive I decided to use the same drive and method used to install Lite .

I inserted the drive and used "Rufus" to try to create a bootable Linux Lite 2.6

In the set up procedure I clicked on the Lite ISO I had downloaded instead  of the Mint ISO that had worked--when i pressed Start > all I got was a message ---

"When using UEIF target type ,only EFI bootable ISO images are Supported - Please select an EFI bootable ISO or set the Target Type to BIOS "

I understand that because Windows is UEFI I need to make LL EFI as well.

Looks like we need an EFI bootable ISO for Linux Lite.

Not sure how to create one - I hope Jerry and co can add one to the Downloads . I will see if I can change the one I have . At least I have proved that Windows 10 and Linux can be Dual Booted on this PC

Colin