Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed

[TheDead]

remove requirements for proprietary driver and software restricted and pre-release repos

I'm not sure I get this one, can you eleborate on this please?

Cheers!

[bitsnpcs]

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pre-release repos

I'm not sure I get this one, can you eleborate on this please?

Cheers!
[/quote]

the Ubuntu proposed ?

[Vera]

Hi, I'd like to point out a problem that all new Windows users migrating to LL for the first time will face. This is literally just about every user, unless they deal with no image files ever. Here it is:

What are we (the LL community) expecting ex-Windows users to do on a fresh LL install when they need to make a very simple edit to an image for the first time (e.g. simple rotation, crop or resize)? This can happen quite early on in their LL usage, when they're still not-so-familiar with the system.

With a current fresh LL installation, if you have just switched over from Windows, those users will be storing their vacation pics, family pics, whatever, under the Pictures folder in their linux home directory, just like they did in Windows - so far, so good. Then they decide to resize a few of them to send to grandma via email (who doesn't do social media), or just need a simple crop or rotate. What are we expecting these users to do?

They could click on the image to open it, and find out that, oh, I can only VIEW it that way. I can't DO anything to it.

By contrast, in Windows, as far as I'm aware (correct me if I'm wrong), you can do simple crops and rotations and resize without expecting the user to actually open Photoshop.

Likewise, I feel that in LL 4.0 there should be a way to do that, which:

• comes pre-bundled in the LL 4.0 release (i.e. does not require a download from Synaptic Package Manager)
  
• is user-friendly and modern-looking
  
• does not require the user to open Gimp. That would be like expecting a Windows user to open Photoshop every time they want to just crop or resize.
  

I realize we can't expect to predict every eventuality that every Windows user might want, but it seems to me that this (simple image edits) would be a fairly reasonable expectation by ex-Windows users.

[kissbaby3]

Hi, I'd like to point out a problem that all new Windows users migrating to LL for the first time will face. This is literally just about every user, unless they deal with no image files ever. Here it is:

What are we (the LL community) expecting ex-Windows users to do on a fresh LL install when they need to make a very simple edit to an image for the first time (e.g. simple rotation, crop or resize)? This can happen quite early on in their LL usage, when they're still not-so-familiar with the system.

With a current fresh LL installation, if you have just switched over from Windows, those users will be storing their vacation pics, family pics, whatever, under the Pictures folder in their linux home directory, just like they did in Windows - so far, so good. Then they decide to resize a few of them to send to grandma via email (who doesn't do social media), or just need a simple crop or rotate. What are we expecting these users to do?

They could click on the image to open it, and find out that, oh, I can only VIEW it that way. I can't DO anything to it.

By contrast, in Windows, as far as I'm aware (correct me if I'm wrong), you can do simple crops and rotations and resize without expecting the user to actually open Photoshop.

Likewise, I feel that in LL 4.0 there should be a way to do that, which:

• comes pre-bundled in the LL 4.0 release (i.e. does not require a download from Synaptic Package Manager)
  
• is user-friendly and modern-looking
  
• does not require the user to open Gimp. That would be like expecting a Windows user to open Photoshop every time they want to just crop or resize.
  

I realize we can't expect to predict every eventuality that every Windows user might want, but it seems to me that this (simple image edits) would be a fairly reasonable expectation by ex-Windows users.

Gimp is fine, so i think having it is a good idea, they should have this maybe pre-installed with the future LL 4.0, its called "Pinta", not sure if its still being supported, its not perfect, but works for me , i am currently using LL 3.8, it works ok, check it out.
https://pinta-project.com/pintaproject/pinta/

as for people wanting to jump over to LL from windows, if they only have one PC, then they should get a new PC, that way they can install LL on their older PC and have time to play around with it , i say this because not every PC comes with a activation sticker on the PC, sometimes they have to dig it out of the motherboard by using a command line by using the "run" command, then calling microsoft and checking to see if that sticker activation key is the right one, just in case they go back to windows (if they only have one PC), this is why i always have 2 PC's around, one windows (as a possible back up) and one PC as a linux pc, and yes one can always dual boot, but a large percentage of people are too skittish to try that because of the fact they only have one PC.........

this is what i am going to attempt to do for my uncle, he is going to buy a new windows PC, so i told him, to keep his old PC and let me see if i can install some kind of Linux flavor on it (hopefully LL) , that way if his windows PC has issue's(since it will be under warranty) ha ha , he will have a linux PC as Back up, the one he is soon replacing now has the Old windows XP, which is now infected, so i told him to come to my house if he needs too, till he buys a new PC. poor old guy, i just want to hug him, he is  jonzing , lol.

just thought i share this , hugs every one.

[Oobuntus]

I am inclined to agree with Vera.
I always install gThumb to fill that vacancy, even though I also depend heavily on Gimp.
Unfortunately, gThumb is another one of those apps that use Client Side Decorations. CSDs quite offend me because they mess up the uniformity of my theming.
But fortunately, I can also install gtk3-nocsd from the webupd8 PPA.
Linux = happy.

[Valtam]

Agree with the image viewer. A good example of a clear, comparative, good suggestion. Open to suggestions, as long as it honours the default theme - ie. no CSD as mentioned by [member=6811]Oobuntus[/member] gThumb and EOG have CSD's.

[Valtam]

Something that is super light that I've just tried is Gpicview:

Code:

sudo apt-get install gpicview

Nomacs is quite good too:

Code:

sudo apt-get install nomacs

in a test machine.

[TheDead]

Something that is super light that I've just tried is Gpicview:

Code:

sudo apt-get install gpicview

Nomacs is quite good too:

Code:

sudo apt-get install nomacs

in a test machine.

I don't have my Linux tonight .. but GPicView seems like what I was looking for and looks so... "Windowsesque"
nomacs seems more professional but seems to be in two parts? a paint and a viewer/quick edit programs?
Pinta looks more like a paint program than a quick-edit program I was looking for. I don't really like Gimp, I a graphics designer and use PhotoShop but can never get the grips on Gimpl Adobe Photoshop is not user-friendly and Gimp is worse.

Krita seems like a reaaally cool paint/illustration program, I haven't tried it yet. But, I'm guessing it's too heavy on resources.

Cheers!

[Oobuntus]

Nomacs functionality is good. It may serve some folks better than gThumb. Unfortunately, nomacs does not honor Appearance settings. Gpicview does, but it is not the equal to either nomacs or gThumb. These are subjective observations.
It would be interesting to hear Vera's comments on the three.

[LL-user]

+1 for nomacs

So far I had installed gthumb on all machines I set up. Will replace it with nomacs. It's more user friendly and some features a lot better. Would be great to have it as default.


Thanks for the tip, Jerry