Need help with dual boot Windows 10 and LL

[firenice03]

@Mike (m654321)
UEFI and BIOS are similar (BIOS being the predecessor) Secure Boot is the A Okay to continue...
You could Disable Secure Boot and still use UEFI - Legacy mode is where you come back to BIOS...
This is a simplified my take on it anyway :o

Maybe google clarifies it better??
Secure Boot prevents operating systems from booting unless they're signed by a key loaded into UEFI — out of the box, only Microsoft-signed software can boot. Microsoft mandates that PC vendors allow users to disable Secure Boot, so you can disable Secure Boot or add your own custom key to get around this limitation.

Again, a layman's take on the subject - I am in no way an expert

[Colin23erk]

Hi
Whilst trying to find a Linux version with UEFI iso I got in contact with a Site that had a list . On the subject of the implication of you choosing to not to provide a UEFI iso  . I can understand why you are not willing to pay for Linux Lite  to be registered with  Microsoft for their licencing to enable comply with Secure Boot option .
His view on the new UEFI is that UEFI  is Intel and Secure Boot part is Microsoft . There is no reason that LL have a UEFI iso  available (with no fees) without registering with Microsoft so that can be used to Dual Boot LL with Windows 8 and 10 . All that is needed to load LL as UEFI only is to turn off  Secure Boot in the Bios settings under "Security "
On my brief study of the new UEFI bios it has not got any advantage to a home user unless the want to Boot off a 1Tb or larger HDD .
The main benefits are for large IT department administration controlling the bios remotely  . Doing things over networks and internet brings the need for added security as opens a door anyone .

Finally an update on trying to install Linux with Windows 10 ans UEFI bios I have given up because of too many problems . I managed to install linux Mint but immediately found I could not get onto the internet because of WiFi a problem . Turns out it was a Linux/ Broadcom  driver problem  . Looks like Broadcom will not allow their drivers to be included on Linux unless the get a fee ( another MS ? )  They can be downloaded but its more hassle and I would have no guarantee that my new PC would work OK  if that was done . I was able to return the PC and get a full refund .



Colin

[gold_finger]

Grab a beer, cup of coffee, snack, or whatever and read this:  UEFI boot: how does that actually work, then?

[technomancer]

Hi
Whilst trying to find a Linux version with UEFI iso I got in contact with a Site that had a list . On the subject of the implication of you choosing to not to provide a UEFI iso  . I can understand why you are not willing to pay for Linux Lite  to be registered with  Microsoft for their licencing to enable comply with Secure Boot option .
His view on the new UEFI is that UEFI  is Intel and Secure Boot part is Microsoft . There is no reason that LL have a UEFI iso  available (with no fees) without registering with Microsoft so that can be used to Dual Boot LL with Windows 8 and 10 . All that is needed to load LL as UEFI only is to turn off  Secure Boot in the Bios settings under "Security "
On my brief study of the new UEFI bios it has not got any advantage to a home user unless the want to Boot off a 1Tb or larger HDD .
The main benefits are for large IT department administration controlling the bios remotely  . Doing things over networks and internet brings the need for added security as opens a door anyone .

Finally an update on trying to install Linux with Windows 10 ans UEFI bios I have given up because of too many problems . I managed to install linux Mint but immediately found I could not get onto the internet because of WiFi a problem . Turns out it was a Linux/ Broadcom  driver problem  . Looks like Broadcom will not allow their drivers to be included on Linux unless the get a fee ( another MS ? )  They can be downloaded but its more hassle and I would have no guarantee that my new PC would work OK  if that was done . I was able to return the PC and get a full refund .



Colin

Sorry to hear that Colin. I too was in the same position at one time.
I understand how you feel.

I took a different approach however.
Wipe the entire HardDrive and Install LinuxMint, Run a LAN cable to my new laptop and installed WiFi drivers. From there I used VirtualBox and installed a virtual machine of Win7. (Who in their right mind would use Win 8 or 10 ? ) After all that, well Linux lite installed and I use it solely for 4 months. LinuxMint just got me "testing". Just change your BIOS to Legacy, and install, or UEFI on LinuxMint.

I know ALOT of people that i tried to convert to Linux just lose interest because of all these issues. 90% of people want to "use" the computer- not try to get it working. Understandable, thats why MAC/OSX is so popular.
Unfortunately if we want more hardware support and popularity, i believe Linux will go the way of RedHat, partnering with Microsoft and destroying any hope of freedom we have left. From what I know, Microsoft bought SUN micro and they owned 1/2 the patents on various Linux things, guess who owns them now ? LOL Microsoft runs Linux servers..........  :o
(My info may not be 100% correct on that but it to the best of my recollection. I don't wanna start on a new topic of people correcting me, but please message me if you feel it necessary to.)

[Colin23erk]

technomancer

Thanks for your words of encouragement

Part of the reason I abandoned trying to get Linux to work was I had a limited time to see if it would boot and work on a modern laptop before the option to return it expired . I looked on the web to see if others had tried but did not find much feedback.

The reason I was looking for a new PC  because I had spent about a month trying to sort  out a problem with a Windows Password lockout . Ended up Reinstalling Win 7 . That messed up booting to LL . Sorted the boot only to find LL would not boot - hung on loading ( container problem ? ) baffling the experts so no solution to repair mine . Needed to reload and set up linux. Then had a problem with my Keyboard - unable to enter  a password then again to verify ( not matching ).

Returning to my old netbook I have fitted a new keyboard . Found a new problem (just now) - if I  hold the netbook by its Left Hand corner  it looses power and shuts down.

Oh well back to using the screwdriver

Colin