Dual Boot Linux Lite and Windows 8

[technomancer]

GOOD NEWS  ;D <------- SEE BELOW
I managed to get the DVD to boot !

I disabled just about every option in the BIOS and it booted without issues. Wifi connected, and I am online.
I am going to enable things one by one and post what causes the "machine error"/no boot situation. 8)

UPDATE  I was able to boot 1 time, after shutdown and re-boot, I enabled VT-d, I get->"machine error"

I did a checksum on the download and it's good. The dvd boots just fine on every other computer I have.

Strangest thing is I checked all the settings and it won't boot again. I disabled everything again and the computer refuses to boot the DVD again, push the eject button and it boots fine.  Seems as if something is stuck in memory, I am still trying every angle.

[technomancer]

I have finally got the dvd to boot and the USB, guess how ! 
I REMOVED THE INTERNAL HDD ! Yet upon booting again, no luck !
I keep getting "machine check error"

The UEFI partition on the HDD may be/is the cause of the issue. So i am going to delete the entirety of windows etc... from the HDD and re-purpose it for LinuxLite. Results-- NO GOOD, will not boot dvd or USB again.

Well, after some research I found several posts in Ubuntu and Fedora forums with people having
the exact same issue, NONE resolved ! I have spent several hours on this.......
The "machine check error" could be a GRUB or UEFI issue, or possibly memory being accessed outside
of the UEFI system policy. No actual reason found anywhere.
So after spending several hours on this, waiting for 2.4 and no luck, I give up until LinuxLite supports UEFI.
I just can't spend any more time on this. If someone has a fix please let me know.
Sooner or later UEFI must be supported, seriously guys. All new hardware is using UEFI not BIOS.
Please , Please, get UEFI setup next release..... :-\

[Valtam]

Sooner or later UEFI must be supported, seriously guys. All new hardware is using UEFI not BIOS.
Please , Please, get UEFI setup next release..... :-\

Hi technomancer, I'm almost completely against making UEFI work and I'll explain why. Microsoft has a history of dictating to hardware vendors. This is unethical and limits peoples choices. Just because a software vendor (MS) dominates a market does not give them the right to restrict a person's choice. This is a direct attack on freedom itself. I'm not a MS 'hater' I like technology, and technologically they have produced some useful innovations throughout the years.

If one day we are left with absolutely no choice at all but to submit to MS in the BIOS, then for the sake of getting more people off Windows, I think it will be worth us sacrificing this principle, in an effort to set them free. I'm a realist, but I'm also an optimist. I'm optimistic that people who are thinking of using Linux more and more, will make informed hardware choices, and favour hardware vendors that don't force people into a corner. Freedom must always be the first consideration.

[gold_finger]

Well, after some research I found several posts in Ubuntu and Fedora forums with people having
the exact same issue, NONE resolved ! I have spent several hours on this.......

I just can't spend any more time on this.

Last few ideas:

• Believe it or not, I've seen times where the brand of DVD makes a difference on certain computers.  If possible, try a different brand DVD.
  
• If you haven't already done so, try a live USB instead.  Sometimes computer will have problem booting one medium, but will boot the other.
  
• Check to see if there is an update for the UEFI firmware on the Asus website.  Sounds to me like their implementation of UEFI firmware is the main cause of the problem.  Most other computer brands don't have this kind of problem booting something in Legacy mode from what I've seen.  Maybe an update came out that will fix the boot problem.
  
• If all else fails, call Asus tech support.  If they can't/won't help, tell them you'll never buy their brand again.
  

Honestly, I'm a bit surprised by this from Asus.  Company has a generally good reputation with their computers and parts.  Will certainly make me think twice about buying their components anymore.

[technomancer]

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Sooner or later UEFI must be supported, seriously guys. All new hardware is using UEFI not BIOS.
Please , Please, get UEFI setup next release..... :-\

Hi technomancer, I'm almost completely against making UEFI work and I'll explain why. Microsoft has a history of dictating to hardware vendors. This is unethical and limits peoples choices. Just because a software vendor (MS) dominates a market does not give them the right to restrict a person's choice. This is a direct attack on freedom itself. I'm not a MS 'hater' I like technology, and technologically they have produced some useful innovations throughout the years.

If one day we are left with absolutely no choice at all but to submit to MS in the BIOS, then for the sake of getting more people off Windows, I think it will be worth us sacrificing this principle, in an effort to set them free. I'm a realist, but I'm also an optimist. I'm optimistic that people who are thinking of using Linux more and more, will make informed hardware choices, and favour hardware vendors that don't force people into a corner. Freedom must always be the first consideration.
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@Jerry- I completely agree with your position and thinking. You are an awesome individual, I wish more people had the same stance.
    The only issue is that few hardware vendors will agree with that position, the loss of sales for them would be devastating. Unfortunately the hardware vendors are a profit driven economy, where as Linux is not. Money talks...I in no way defend that position, but at some point we must all adapt to changing circumstances.Right or wrong, UEFI is on 98% of computers, which will limit LinuxLite ability to get new users/support. I love the hard work and vision that you have with LinuxLite, as long as I have a BIOS computer, LinuxLite will be on them. My hat off to you sir.

@gold_finger- I have tried 2 different brands of DVD's, no luck. I used Unetbootin and Lili to create a  USB, they refuse to boot( tried 5 different brands ) I have tried the same hardware/DVD/USB with Ubuntu and LimuxMint, they both boot, install and run fine.(UEFI a built in feature on the OS) Apparantly from what I have seen in Asus forums their products are getting cheaper/worse as far as compliance with "windows only" hardware. They will not support Linux unless it was what the laptop was originally sold with. I am a certified Dell tech, maybe back to Dell ? They are just as bad, if not worse. However the hardware is easier to deal with I have found.
If I ever get it working(will try in a couple months again) I will post my results here. For now I need to concentrate on other matters.

Thank you for the suggestions and help, this community is the best I have ever been a part of. Thank you very much BOTH of you.

[N4RPS]

Hello!

I bought a new Dell netbook about 9 months ago, and have touchpad issues - as do some of Dell's other recent models. They refuse to resolver the problem, so they're another good one to avoid.

Dell went as far as to recommend I disassemble it (which voids the warranty) and install a screen protector to decrease the sensitivity of the touchpad. Sorry, Dell - I am NOT going to 'ethnically engineer' a $300 computer!

If DVD-Rs are giving you fits, try DVD+Rs, and vice versa. On my ancient Dell C640 laptop, the DVD drive would read CDs just fine, but balked at both DVD-R or DVD+R discs. (Could have been a laser alignment issue, I suppose.)

Fortunately, I had another Dell plug-in DVD drive around here I wasn't using, as the BIOS doesn't boot from USB without Plop. Even then, you must start Plop from CD or floppy...

73 DE N4RPS
Rob

[m654321]

Today, I had a go at doing an LL2.4 install on a UEFI laptop (Asus G750JS), pre-installed with Win 8.1.  I used Nehal J Wani's extremely helpful youtube video, posted by Jerry in Reply#3 of this thread.  I followed the video to the letter, playing it on an old laptop (pausing the video step-by-step, so that I could follow instructions more easily), installing LL on a new Asus G750JS laptop: legacy (CSM) mode on, fast boot & secure boot turned off during installation. It took me three goes, due mainly to my inexperience, but am delighted to say that the third go resulted in a fully-functioning win8.1/LL2.4 dual-boot with UEFI fully enabled.

One or two things I learned the hard-way today, which I'd like to pass on...
1)  Ubuntu Live Media in UEFI mode (step 5 in Wani's 13 step set-up, listed below his video on Youtube website): when booting from this use Ubuntu 14.10 as this will boot in UEFI mode - version 14.04.2 appears not to do so. 
2) Fetching updates in Ubuntu Live Media: make sure your internet connection is on.  My inexperience made me overlook this on the second attempt (just go to the top right hand side of the live Ubuntu screen to turn this on, before fetching updates). 
3) Booting from DVD: I had quite a few problems with this initially as, frustratingly, 'booting from DVD' did not show as an option under the Firmware Settings (arrived at by pressing F2 key down on restart), which I had to go to for setting the Legacy mode. To see the DVD booting option on your screen,  you need to press down the ESC key (& and keep it pressed down, i.e. not hitting it repeatedly) and this will open up the boot choice, where you just toggle to the DVD option using the arrow keys & hit Enter.

The above laptop has two physical SSD drives: I had hoped to put the  '/'  and  '/home'  partitions on separate drives, but Wani's instructions do not allow for this, either on a single drive or split between two physical drives. Also, my inexperience prevented me from succeeding with this and exploring it further.  Wani's installation is limited to LL as a single  '/'  partition on a single drive.  I'd be grateful for any advice on how I might separate these partitions for Wani's dual-boot system which I've installed: is there a way of transferring '/home' from drive 1 to drive 2?

With the installed SSD system I haven't created a swap area - I've understood from outside this forum that this is correct procedure for SSD set-ups, though would appreciate some confirmation on this from any of you.

Jerry indicates that Nehal J Wani's instructions for win8.1/LL dual booting is for an intermediate linux user.  However, I consider myself more as  a novice, who has learnt much from the advice given here, since moving from WinXP to linux in April2014. Much of what I've learned, and the confidence I have gained with a 'giving it a go' attitude is down to the very friendly and supportive community represented by the LL forum.  Many thanks for that...

Regards
Mike

[Lend27]

I have finally got the dvd to boot and the USB, guess how ! 
I REMOVED THE INTERNAL HDD ! Yet upon booting again, no luck !
I keep getting "machine check error"

The UEFI partition on the HDD may be/is the cause of the issue. So i am going to delete the entirety of windows etc... from the HDD and re-purpose it for LinuxLite. Results-- NO GOOD, will not boot dvd or USB again.

Well, after some research I found several posts in Ubuntu and Fedora forums with people having
the exact same issue, NONE resolved ! I have spent several hours on this.......
The "machine check error" could be a GRUB or UEFI issue, or possibly memory being accessed outside
of the UEFI system policy. No actual reason found anywhere.
So after spending several hours on this, waiting for 2.4 and no luck, I give up until LinuxLite supports UEFI.
I just can't spend any more time on this. If someone has a fix please let me know.
Sooner or later UEFI must be supported, seriously guys. All new hardware is using UEFI not BIOS.
Please , Please, get UEFI setup next release..... :-\

I had the exact same issues on my 2 machines.
The only solution I found was to unplug all other drives from the machine, then boot from the install media.
On one of my machines I was able to install from the DVD. One the other machine I installed from the USB.
I also got several types of errors, but I persisted and now have 2 machines running LL 2.4.

We do need UEFI on LL.  I am dual booting on one machine with OSX Mavericks, but I have to boot into each through the bios. Grub wont work to dual boot.

On the other machine I am triple booting OSX Yosemite, Windows 10, and LL.
Clover usually has no problme handing the boot, but with LL it's a no go. Again, I have to hit F12 to enter the bios, then select the OS. Not the easiest way to do it, but not too bad since I am spending most of my time in LL lately.

To the powers that be, please get UEFI working, it wil help you get more people involved in LL.
I love the distro BTW.
I've tried so many others, but I'm sticking with LL. No need to look any further.

Thanks again!