USB bootable BIOS UEFI Secure Boot

[CaperAsh]

Thank you much. I am trying on a third machine today, a Lenovo Yoga. It has no DVD. Yesterday the one with a DVD could not catch the wifi (either with LinuxLite or Elementary) so I brought it back. This one I purchased a DVD with it. However, the only way I could get into BIOS was via the Win 10 menu Advanced Restore etc. But now even though it will be boot up into either the USB stick or the DVD disk, it hangs up after 2-3 minutes with either installation and am left with the lovely feather on yellow background. This is all making me seriously consider going back to Windows or even further back to Apple (had a Mac in the early 1980's). Things should get easier over time, at least basic things like installing an OS. They are not. It is, frankly, discouraging. And yet am not surprised.... Anyway, will take a look at your instructions. Maybe if I follow them in creating a new USB stick this one will work, though I doubt it given the same thing happens with both the DVD disk and the USB (meaning it's not the installation files, rather something to do with the hardware configuration...)

[CaperAsh]

to btsnpcs: I went to yr tutorial and it looks very clear. I was making all mine from within Linux Lite, not having Windows except on these fancy new machines I can't get into! I did test the usb and disk on my current laptop with Linux Lite and in each case they went through booting up and setting up the live cd mode business just fine, so they do work. However have not yet been able to get them to work well on any of the 3 new laptops have cycled through at this point. Either I will go pay a pro to do it, or will have to seriously reconsider using Linux since it appears I have fallen underneath the skill level needed to keep up with these new machines.

[bitsnpcs]

Hello CaperAsh,

what is the name and model of the computer you are currently trying to install LL to ?

Does it have any OS currently installed on it ?

Do you want to keep the currently installed OS , eg dual boot ?
I don't know about dual boot, but there are some members who do this.

The laptop you took back with wifi issues these may have been solvable, it can be a hardware switch on the side lower on some or a driver issues.

The crashing is also likely a driver issues, maybe graphics drivers, eg to install without drivers , dont tick that during install, once installed then to install drivers, selecting the more suited ones, the community can also help with this.

[firenice03]

Just for fun... I'd slow down just a bit  ;D ;D you're swapping systems faster than support can reply  ;D ;D I kid, in good humor...

But as bitsnpc has suggested post the model and the other questions...

As the 1st thing you're gonna need to do is in Windows turn off fast boot.. directions are here: https://in.answers.acer.com/app/answers/...st-startup

Next you'll need to boot to "BIOS" - disable/turn off UEFI by selecting Legacy and turn off Secure Boot - - these can be in different places depending on vendor and model and version...

Then can you boot to LIVE and attempt the install... You may run into caveats as UEFI is different...

A thread worth a look over:
Has both 2.x and 3.x series.. https://www.freecinema2022.gq/forums/tutor...y-enabled/

[CaperAsh]

Yes, I did move too fast through machines perhaps. But I remember the glory days when I installed distros on several machines and never once had an issue. Maybe I was just lucky. Also: I have a 'thing' about HP and shouldn't have picked them up in the first place, it's just that in the local stores I was going to it is about 75% HP's to everything else until I found a different big box store (Best Buy) with a larger selection. So: am now on a Lenovo Yoga 710 and either will figure it out or will buy a refurbished old Thinkpad which works great with Linux distros.

In any case, after great difficulty I managed to LL installation routine to work all the way through to being able to run it (before that, couldn't even get them to take because of Bios issues). (I also found out that on this machine you have to hit the F2 key repeatedly whilst the Lenovo flash screen is up, just hitting it once or holding it down doesn't do it. I found this out in a moment of frustration later verified by a lucky search!!)

I managed to get both LL and Manjaro to install. Even though with LL (the first successful one) I had made a 100 GB partition on my 250 GB SSD for the Linux distro, given how hard it had been just to make it to this point, I decided to wipe the disk anyway, which I did. Then it installed. There seems to be an issue with not seeing the type of screen correctly (typeface is tiny), which can be adjusted in the Display Settings, but which returns on booting up each time - I mean really tiny, like 4 or something). So after installing LL I updated and rebooted then it wouldn't reboot. Furthermore, I cannot use the installation disk to get into Live CD, and also the Advanced options don't do anything. So I installed Manjaro and same thing: ran installation, then updates, then rebooted, then it freezes, the advanced options freeze and then trying to reboot from DVD it won't even open up the disk, just keeps going from blank screen to Lenovo logo.

Now, when I run the USB instead of the external DVD, it goes further. THat is a LL distro. But it hangs early on into the loading routines and now, after more than 30 minutes, obviously nothing is going on (I prefer the DVD's because you can hear whether or not the disk is whirring!).

So now I will try to see if there is a way to read the processes as you suggest.
I will also work with some more targeted searched involving this particular model.
And if I have success will report back.

Thanks for all the help.

I think my main problem with this is uncertainty: not being a good technician (despite having used Macs, PC's and Linux OS's since the early 80's) I find it hard to related to problems like this when I really don't know what is going on. I also found it extremely difficult to find out how to get into the BIOS, something which used to be child's play. (With this new Lenovo, you have to go into the BIOS each time you want to boot, the order re-assembles itself after each attempt... weird...and confusing until you notice...)

[torreydale]

[member=3540]CaperAsh[/member],

I've been following your posts on your installation issues, and they're making me itch.  You're not having any fun yet with the operating system, and until now you had not provided specific make and model numbers of what you're working with.  The forum was left with nothing but educated guesses.

Based on my search on Lenovo Yoga 710, you're running an Intel Skylake processor.  User [member=411]bitsnpcs[/member] ran into similar issues when building her newest computer.  She overcame the issues, and you can see her progression in the thread at this link:
https://www.freecinema2022.gq/forums/video...29333/#top.

[torreydale]

[member=3540]CaperAsh[/member],

Another thing to consider is this section of the Help Manual:
https://www.freecinema2022.gq/manual/hardw...ml#booting

[bitsnpcs]

Yes the info is in this thread linked by torreydale, thank you I will bookmark this for future, and also to get to the desktop you need to edit grub and save the edit how LL-user showed me

The maximum resolution I can get on Linux is 1024. Using the Intel graphics stack q4 2016.
The latest issue Intel Graphics stack is February 26, 2017, this requires a minimum of Ubuntu 16.10 to install.
At April 13 2017 will arrive Ubuntu 17.04, this will have the updated Xorg 1.19.3, and the newest Mesa at version 17.03, this aimed specifically at Intel and AMD processor improvements.
When these feed through in future that will be useful and may improve these problem with Skylake and Kabylake in i3, i5 and i7 plus more using the Asus mainboards.

I can save to you time, and DVDs, I have tried MANY distros past few weeks not 1 of them can load with Skylake above 1024 resolution, many wont load to desktop or simply fall at the boot.
I even did try Ubuntu 17 beta 2, and same, as it doesn't have the updated Intel stack which is what is needed, and likely the Xorg and Mesa.
I tried these ones just in the last week -
Fedora workstation, Sparky Linux LXDE, Kali Linux, Parrot Full, deepin, Manjaro, Debian XFCE, Sabayon Gnome, Sabayon Fluxbox, Sabayon XFCE (Sabayon looks kinda nice on website, it fails at boot on this computer sadly).
SolydX, Knoppix, Porteus Cinnamon, Puppy Linux Slacko UEFI, PCLinux OS kde5, SubGraph OS alpha.


Update -

1/d/l and fully install the Intel graphics stack 2.02 for Ubuntu 16.04
2/reboot


If you are unable to get to the desktop to do this then you need to
a/ edit the grub using the nomodeset, to get to desktop
b/ install Intel stack
c/ reboot.

if you cannot reboot after installing Intel stack you need to -
a/ again edit the grub with nomodeset
b/ at the desktop save that edit using leafpad as per instructions by LL-user in link above.
c/ reboot

[CaperAsh]

First, Torreydale, thanks. (I don't see any link though!).
Also about the models: I did mention them as they came up, but not with model numbers. At first I thought it all had to do with the LL installation routine (because am not a techy and never had issues installing before - except partitioning problems if I tried to set up dual boot). This is the first time have had so many hardware-related issues. Lesson learned.

Btsnpcs: unless I misunderstood in terms of 'save you time and DVD's', it sounds like it is not a good idea getting very new chips/laptops etc. and I'd be better off with something older. I'm now using an HP laptop I've had for more than 5 years and it's overheating more and getting occasional disk error msgs. Time for a new laptop. But it looks like rather than a new new one, it's time for a new old one because then all these things will be well resolved. Pity, I like the Yoga, but it really is too difficult to get running. The first one I tried was an HP Envy, then an older HP Elite 17" which couldn't see the internet but I suspect as someone suggested here that this would have been fixable. But the problem was that I really don't like HP for some reason and always wanted to try Lenovo, so now I am. And picked a bad model to try with as it turns out. Oh well.

Thanks everyone. I will try working through some of the pages and if successful will report back. But it looks like this is well over my paygrade and instead I'll just buy a refurbished Lenovo 15" for $200 on ebay, wait a year or two until these fancy new ones work flawlessly with the Linux kernels, and then ease into them at that point.

Thanks to all, sorry if questions were vague etc. I found the whole thing very confusing having never had any installation problems before - at least not like this. I did once have terrible hard disk issues which, as it turned out, was not software but the hardware. And to this day I find setting up dual boot manually hard to figure out because only do it once or twice every 2-3 years. But usually you just put in a disk, run it, and away you go. Not with these babies.....

[bitsnpcs]

Hello CaperAsh,

Linux Lite works correctly in 1024x768 resolution, it cannot do higher yet on this computer with the current drivers available, so I tried many other Linux distros to try and find one that can do the higher resolution if it has other drivers, idea was to then look what driver was and install it on Linux Lite.
An attempt at discovery exercise.
1024 resolution is okay for me to use daily, it wont run Fritzing it needs higher resolution, so it is why I looked.
Older computer, yes I have 3 of this, 2 is Linux Lite, my first computer I made to LL with a LOT of help from Jerry and Misko, it is was built before I was born even, it works good, I used it last weekend.