LINUX LITE 7.2 FINAL RELEASED - SEE RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS SECTION FOR DETAILS


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Looong time computer user, just made the plunge into linux this week, haven't used it (*nix) literally since before browsers became "the internet".  I squeezed my windows machine and was able to shrink out a 12G partition, and installed Linux Lite (with grub) on it.  I lovelovelove the setup, being a longtime windows user, it felt like moving into an upgraded home (from a rental) where I finally have say-so over what goes where and how and why.  I have minor issues (scrollbars are very thin and "steppers" missing frequently...  and scary partition questions during install) but I am learning how to install packages, add repositories, the internet is my friend.

OK.  So, I am all excited about linux now.  So I scavenged up another hard drive, chose three distros I wanted to try...  and I installed the latest version of Ubuntu.

DIS.  A.  POINTED!  Apparently the Unity or GNOME, or whatever the "desktop environment" is, much more like Android than any Windows product.  Panel is locked in place?  No Whisker menu (my buddy).  All those settings I just learned to find...  I have to learn to find them again?  I can't even change the panel settings (bottom, top, side)?  This is part of why I wanted to transition away from windows in the first place!  Here's the final kicker:  apparently in Ubuntu, there is no (practical...  did find admin:/// or whatever command for sh) way to access your own root directory.

The package manager GUI was nice, but I was already comfortable installing packages through the shell.  It reminds me of the good old days writing batch programs in DOS, except super-powered.

So, I do have some questions, but I wanted to give some background on myself first.  I have been hearing people talk about *nix for years, had some minimal exposure to it (yes I downloaded pr0n via ftp before there were browsers...  in college), have been wanting to try it for years, and finally just did it.  But my recent experience with Ubuntu was worse than disapointing.  Linux Lite has, in a few days, made a much more lasting impression on me.  It does almost everything my windows system did, I will keep windows, probably mostly for games, but I already prefer LL for everything else.  So...  questions:

1.  LL uses XFCE, Ubuntu uses GNOME...  where can I find a comparison of the differences between these (in terms a novice can understand), and what are they called exactly?  Something like a flowchart, perhaps?

2.  When downloading Ubuntu, I read that it was based on a "build" of Debian.  I have some understanding of these terms...  Debian is a server-oriented OS, and "build" means the code was changed a little.  Right?  Is there another flowchart perhaps of the popular distros, showing the versions they are based on, and the differences?  Couldn't hurt to ask.  Something like a family tree.

3. A lot of the problems I have (i.e. customizing the GUI), when I look up the answers, I originally was looking up LL specific answers, then Ubuntu answers (because they were easy to find).  I got to a point where I was seeing gtk-specific answers, and LL does not have the gtk-specific config files.  I figured they had to make it "Light" somehow, by choosing smaller components, OK.  I guess my question is, what are the different major components of the build (like mate, or cinnamon, etc.), and how should I think of them in somewhat-laymans-terms?

Thanks in advance
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(02-13-2018, 07:44 AM)redplanet link Wrote: So...  questions:

1.  LL uses XFCE, Ubuntu uses GNOME...  where can I find a comparison of the differences between these (in terms a novice can understand), and what are they called exactly?  Something like a flowchart, perhaps?

There are several desktops for Linux!  Gnome, Mate, Cinnamon, Trinity, Budgie, KDE, Xfce, LCDE, RazorQt, Enlightenment, and more!  Xfce is best for beginners, has a very intuitive interface.  That's the reason a lot of distros for Linux newcomers use Xfce, besides the fact that it is frugal with RAM and CPU.  Google "Linux desktop environments compared" and you'll likely be overwhelmed!

Quote: 2.  When downloading Ubuntu, I read that it was based on a "build" of Debian.  I have some understanding of these terms...  Debian is a server-oriented OS, and "build" means the code was changed a little.  Right?  Is there another flowchart perhaps of the popular distros, showing the versions they are based on, and the differences?  Couldn't hurt to ask.  Something like a family tree.

Debian used to be a "server" distro, but it's a great desktop in it's own right nowadays.  It's aiming to be "the universal operating system," but it isn't there yet.  Mostly because it's own lofty standards tend to slow it's progress (which is actually a good thing in a lot of ways - Debian is ultra-super-mega stable.  Debian is the great grandaddy to dozens of awesome distros including Linux Lite!

Quote: 3. A lot of the problems I have (i.e. customizing the GUI), when I look up the answers, I originally was looking up LL specific answers, then Ubuntu answers (because they were easy to find).  I got to a point where I was seeing gtk-specific answers, and LL does not have the gtk-specific config files.  I figured they had to make it "Light" somehow, by choosing smaller components, OK.  I guess my question is, what are the different major components of the build (like mate, or cinnamon, etc.), and how should I think of them in somewhat-laymans-terms?

Linux Lite does have gtk-config files, but goodness, why would you edit config files when you can use the supercool graphical tools to make LL's highly modified Xfce desktop just the way you want it? 

Welcome, by the way, both to Linux and to Linux Lite!  Plenty of help and fun to be had!
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#3
Hi [member=7377]redplanet[/member] and welcome to Linux Lite! Smile

Here's a very nice and informative article which I think might be of great help to understand a couple of things when it comes to desktops environments https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a...tops&num=1

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"Here's the final kicker:  apparently in Ubuntu, there is no (practical...  did find admin:/// or whatever command for sh) way to access your own root directory."

As far as Ubuntu "sudo su" will give you a root shell. You can also install the Debian administrative file access option package to nautilus. It's in synaptic. "gksudo" is deprecated for newer versions so don't bother with it. Compiz and the gnome tweak tool give you just about any option you desire with the unity DE. It's definitely not as much of a natural fit to Windows converts as XFCE is, but it fits to many powerful gnome tools for developers.

I always recommend and often install Linux Lite for people coming from Windows with no Linux background. I use Debian 9 as my daily OS at home, but I have a partition with Linux Lite on it and a spare laptop with Linux Lite, so I can keep up with whatever's new there, so I can help the people I installed Linux Lite for. A couple have moved on to Ubuntu as they progressed. This forum and the XFCE forum are the best places to learn about XFCE DE.

Welcome to LL.
TC

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(02-13-2018, 07:44 AM)redplanet link Wrote: 2.  Is there another flowchart perhaps of the popular distros, showing the versions they are based on, and the differences?  Couldn't hurt to ask.  Something like a family tree.

Hello redplanet,

Welcome to the forum Smile

Here is a chart of which bases are used, a distro family tree.

http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploa...dt1110.svg
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(02-13-2018, 12:03 PM)Moltke link Wrote: Hi [member=7377]redplanet[/member] and welcome to Linux Lite! Smile

Here's a very nice and informative article which I think might be of great help to understand a couple of things when it comes to desktops environments https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a...tops&num=1

This was helpful and informative.  Thank you.
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(02-13-2018, 04:44 PM)trinidad link Wrote: "Here's the final kicker:  apparently in Ubuntu, there is no (practical...  did find admin:/// or whatever command for sh) way to access your own root directory."

As far as Ubuntu "sudo su" will give you a root shell. You can also install the Debian administrative file access option package to nautilus. It's in synaptic. "gksudo" is deprecated for newer versions so don't bother with it. Compiz and the gnome tweak tool give you just about any option you desire with the unity DE. It's definitely not as much of a natural fit to Windows converts as XFCE is, but it fits to many powerful gnome tools for developers.
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Welcome to LL.
TC

Yeah most of that was greek to me.  I do too "sudo su", how about you?  I am learning by mucking around the config files, and messin with the terminal.  When I couldn't access root, through my file browser... and lost my whisker menu...  and found out the side panel was permanently locked in place...  no way.  I do like the windows-like interface...  A LOT.  But doing stuf (a lot of apt-getting) in terminal reminds me of the power of DOS, which is what I learned on.  Am hoping that "shell scripts" are the linux way of saying "batch files" because if so, then I will finally have control over how my software operates!
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(02-13-2018, 07:47 PM)bitsnpcs link Wrote: [quote author=redplanet link=topic=5143.msg38888#msg38888 date=1518507875]
2.  Is there another flowchart perhaps of the popular distros, showing the versions they are based on, and the differences?  Couldn't hurt to ask.  Something like a family tree.

Hello redplanet,

Welcome to the forum Smile

Here is a chart of which bases are used, a distro family tree.

http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploa...dt1110.svg
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This is awesome...  exactly what I was wondering.  Exactly.
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Glad it was helpful. Smile
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