XFCE vs KDE - Printable Version

XFCE vs KDE - Printable Version

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Re: XFCE vs KDE - Valtam - 01-22-2020

I created root access in my KDE LL build. Took a few hours of research to get a reliable, working fix.
This is the way it would be implemented for Dolphin & Kwrite:

.desktops: (may have to create folders)
~/.local/share/kservicess5/ServiceMenus/

polkits:
/usr/share/polkit-1/actions

Create a polkit file for Dolphin:

com.ubuntu.pkexec.dolphin.policy

Code:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

<!DOCTYPE policyconfig PUBLIC

  "-//freedesktop//DTD PolicyKit Policy Configuration 1.0//EN"

  "http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/PolicyKit/1/policyconfig.dtd">

<policyconfig>

  <vendor>Linux Lite</vendor>

  <vendor_url>https://linuxliteos.com/</vendor_url>

  <action id="com.ubuntu.pkexec.dolphin">

    <message>Authentication is required to run Dolphin</message>

    <icon_name>window-close</icon_name>

    <defaults>

      <allow_any>auth_admin</allow_any>

      <allow_inactive>auth_admin</allow_inactive>

      <allow_active>auth_admin</allow_active>

    </defaults>

    <annotate key="org.freedesktop.policykit.exec.path">/usr/bin/dolphin</annotate>

    <annotate key="org.freedesktop.policykit.exec.allow_gui">true</annotate>

  </action>

</policyconfig>

.desktop for Dolphin:

dolphin-root.desktop

Code:
[Desktop Action root]

Exec=pkexec dolphin

Icon=window-close

Name=Open as Admin

[Desktop Entry]

Actions=root

Icon=window-close

MimeType=inode/directory

ServiceTypes=KonqPopupMenu/Plugin

Type=Service

X-KDE-Priority=TopLevel

X-KDE-StartupNotify=false

For Kwrite, rinse and repeat, just change where obvious.

Re: XFCE vs KDE - Moltke - 01-23-2020

(01-22-2020, 10:28 PM)trinidad link Wrote: What system is your KDE on?

Debian Buster. I created a Live USB with rufus which now has the option to create Live USBs with persistent mode in a very easy way, yes, easier than mkusb ( I really wish it was ported to Linux but the depv has already said he won't Sad

) I did that since I'm running it in a laptop with no HDD. I installed KDE and who knows, maybe that's why it doesn't work.

Quote:I created root access in my KDE LL build. Took a few hours of research to get a reliable, working fix.

Very nice! Smile

but I don't think it'll work for me here.

Re: XFCE vs KDE - trinidad - 01-23-2020

Well my years away from Kubuntu have left me a little rusty, but after running it for a couple days I have some comments.

On the positive side:
1) It is by far the most Windows 10 like Linux distribution I have yet to encounter, in both appearance and function.
2) The desktop is stunning.
3) Konsole, Dolphin, Kate & Discover have wonderful options and functionality. Update is the best I've seen anywhere.

On the negative side:
1) Kubuntu is definitely not a beginner OS, mainly because of too many powerful features. The vast majority of Windows users don't know how to use Windows properly, and they might find Kubuntu's DE just as dizzying as Windows 10 even though it would be familiar. i/e Most Windows users hated Windows 10 over Windows 7 even though 10 was considerably superior in the guts.
2) The help manual alone would require a massive effort to bring up to Linux Lite standards.

My expectations Jerry:
1) The known special qualities of Linux Lite, the way you work, the philosophy of designing a simple fast free system that Windows users can be comfortable with and learn quickly would all come into play with a KDE version of LL. Your effort would make or break the thing. Too many features, too many functions, too complicated of a DE might not match the established LL cachet. I'm sure you would put your spin on KDE Linux Lite, and as far as the future goes KDE will probably prove to be the best choice, and in my opinion it is the most Windows like, but it is your effort and philosophy that puts the mark on Linux Lite and this community, and it is certain that change will always be met with hostility from some quarter deserved or not. Selfishly, I hope you undertake the project, because I think Linux Lite has something to offer KDE, rather than the other way around, something elegantly simple, and something very stable, usable, and above all... "learnable". (I know it's not a word but it should be these days)

TC

Re: XFCE vs KDE - Valtam - 01-24-2020

[member=5916]trinidad[/member] thanks, I appreciate your write-up. I saw a comment on a LL Youtube video today, "If Jerry does make a KDE spin he should calling Linux Lead" So there will be for a long time, the perception that KDE is heavy. It's a good thing we're not rushing into this. In some preliminary tests, this new Series 5.x XFCE is a lot heavier than in the past, and I mean noticeably. I can't get it to settle below 530mb fresh boot to the Desktop. Worrying.

Re: XFCE vs KDE - TheDead - 01-24-2020

530MB? Thats about a 40% increase!
O M Geee!
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Re: XFCE vs KDE - trinidad - 01-24-2020

[member=2]Jerry[/member] The RAM numbers are rising on DEs across the board, but modern hardware is getting bigger too. 4G is the new minimum on old hardware in general. I did notice that loading Kubuntu plasma hit my CPU a lot harder than loading LL, but that could just be the kernel difference. Both RAM use settled in around 400m after loading. My gnome desktops settle pretty close to 1G so 500M is not too bad.

[member=7109]Moltke[/member] Debian 10 does not allow Xauthority and DISPLAY to be passed to a child. I may have given you the wrong backend prefix. (I didn't know you were on Deb 10). Prefix your sudo command with GDK_BACKEND=x11 and maybe you'll have to prefix that with DISPLAY=:0 I don't install sudo on my Deb systems so I'm not sure this will work, but I can just run a root terminal and backend prefix nautilus and get nautilus in root on X. Same with synaptic and any application that requires Xauthority, though I never use it anymore except with SSH.

[member=6733]TheDead[/member] That's how I look getting in and out of my girlfriends Honda.

TC

Re: XFCE vs KDE - Valtam - 01-24-2020

TheDead always delivers the dope gifs.

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Re: XFCE vs KDE - tikiti - 01-25-2020

(12-21-2019, 01:26 PM)Jerry link Wrote: [quote author=Artim link=topic=6940.msg49926#msg49926 date=1576932245]
How has that happened? KDE on par with Xfce?! Not long ago I would have thought it impossible.

The main difference is that KDE has a massive, almost inexhaustible supply of developers, where as XFCE have just a handful. I really like KDE and how close it is to Windows and the level of configuration available. Plasma is really nice too.

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Isn't KDE & Plasma one? It's KDE Plasma right? Or are they 2 seperate DE? I'm confused! https://kde.org/plasma-desktop

Re: XFCE vs KDE - Moltke - 01-25-2020

(01-25-2020, 11:23 AM)tikiti link Wrote: Isn't KDE & Plasma one? It's KDE Plasma right? Or are they 2 seperate DE? I'm confused! https://kde.org/plasma-desktop

KDE is a community of people who make software including the plasma desktop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Plasma_5 (do check the external links, there a few very interesting ones ) which many people refer to as KDE and that's because in the early days it was simply called the KDE desktop where KDE used to stand for Kool Desktop Evironment https://kde.org/announcements/beta1announce.php but that's not the case anymore and the "official" name is plasma desktop, developed by the KDE community.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Desktop_Environment_1

Re: XFCE vs KDE - tikiti - 01-26-2020

(01-25-2020, 06:56 PM)Moltke link Wrote: [quote author=tikiti link=topic=6940.msg50564#msg50564 date=1579951400]
Isn't KDE & Plasma one? It's KDE Plasma right? Or are they 2 seperate DE? I'm confused! https://kde.org/plasma-desktop